OPINION
People you meet along the way...
Published on May 6, 2007 By Big Fat Daddy In Misc
Mannie and I worked together at two places...EUCOM in Stuttgart and FT Lost in the Woods, MO. We were in a group of VIP drivers at EUCOM that had to go to a series of special driving courses set up by the Air Force and one by the German Police. It was kind of like a "Dukes of Hazard" course for sedan drivers...and we got PAID for that stuff.

A tough as nails New Yorker complete with accent and strutt...one of my favorites. He was a good NCO and a solid soldier...but just a tad too enthusiastic on ocassion. For instance:

In Missouri we were at the Truck Driver school, I was the team leader of our instructor team and Mannie showed up fresh from his dream tour in Alaska..He had zillions of stories about huntin and fishin and bears. I digress...On this particular day, I was frustrated with a student who could not remember to place chock blocks under the wheels of the trucks when he parked. This has always been an Army policy but was especially important considering the quality of the vehicles we had to work with...they could roll away on their own and had proven it many times. Especially when the student doesn't put down the chock blocks and forgets to set the parking brake (happened at least three or four times in a 5 week cycle). I picked up a grenade sized rock and handed to the student and told him it was his personal chock rock. Every time he was moving it would be in his hand and every time he stopped, he would place it in front of his left foot...until he learned to chock his truck every time. Every time I caught him unchocked, it would cost him 25 pushups.

As a training method, it seemed to work pretty well and was adopted by several other instructors...who btw thought it was hilarious. But there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

I was sitting in the 5th Module classroom discussing some business with the Mod Chief, Rich, when I saw a student walk by with a much larger than grenade sized rock...you know the rule, if you don't say something the first time, you have created a new standard. Grenade sized was funny, slowpitch softball sized was funnier. Mannie and Mike, another instuctor on our team had become embroiled in a silent competition to see who could have the student with the biggest chock rock. The contest ended a couple days later when one of Mannie's students came by me struggling with a volleyball sized rock. Student was maybe 120 lbs in full uniform...if that rock didn't weigh in over 60 lbs there ain't a cow in Texas. I called a short team meeting where we all agreed to abandon the chock rock program.

Walking across the motor pool one icy cold morning, Mannie hit a patch of ice and went from strutt to a flailing mass of arms and legs, seemingly suspended in air while all his appendages whirled in wild gyrations. I made a grab to try to steady him before he fell but he shrugged off my hand yelling, "Lemme alone!! I'm break dancin'!!!"

Working on the field training exercise portion of the training, one event gave me fits. We were supposed to teach battle drills for a chemical attack on a moving convoy. We had tear gas grenades, two actually, but if the convoy was fifteen to twenty trucks long, then only a few of the drivers were actually affected by the gas...the rest would hold their breath and blast through the cloud in seconds and mask up later. Not doctrine...practical but not doctrine. Mannie and a couple other instructors called me on the radio and told me I had to get over to the ambush site...they were going to debut their new plan to spread the gas aroung. I got there just as the lead element of the convoy came around the treeline. Mannie was hiding behind a clump of bushes and came out just as the lead truck passed...he threw a tear gas grenade into the back of the truck...it popped...the cloud started spreading and the lead truck acting as our gas distributor, trundled along trailing a thick cloud of tear gas the other trucks had no choice but to drive through. Halfway down the convoy Mike threw another one into another truck and in short order we had a thoroughly contaminated training area. Funny part was that some of the students had been told by preceding classes to hold their breath and drive through the cloud...it only lasted a second or two...boy, they were sorry. I guess I should have brought my gas mask with me, I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more.

We both got orders back to Germany within a few months of each other and were going to get together over there. When I got there and got settled, I went to look him up and found out that the week he arrived he had a bad fall and had to go back to the States of surgery and his orders were cancelled. I heard he went back to MO to finish out his twenty...kind of lost touch. Definately one of my favorites.


Comments
on May 06, 2007
Chock rocks and field expedient NBC training! Brilliant as always Daddy!
on May 07, 2007
Mannie had a great idea!  Oh to be a fly - in a gas mask - on the wall for that one!
on May 07, 2007
Chock rocks and field expedient NBC training! Brilliant as always Daddy


Thanx, Geez, I can always count on you to appreciate the green side of things.

Mannie had a great idea! Oh to be a fly - in a gas mask - on the wall for that one


Key thing there is the gas mask...funny how Mannie had his but never mentioned my needing one.

See how things work out? The teacher learned something too, lol.


Again, there are volumes of books full of stuff I should know...but apparently don't. I got another gas mask story or two...later.

Hahah, poor bastard!


Handling entry level 'cruits is different from regular soldiers...the "poor bastard" would have been Mannie...or more probably me...if any of the brass had seen this. Always a sore point with anyone who has to wrangle basic or AIT soldiers is the lost training time due to high or low temperatures, high or low humidity, can't make 'em do too many pushups...can't yell in their faces ( a practice I never really ascribed to...I find it much more satisfying to reduce a full grown warrior to tears without raising my voice)...can't call them names or nicknames based on performance, lack thereof, or physical attributes...or lack thereof. It has become a kindergarten for supposed adults beginning their military experience. When I went from basic to my first regular unit I thought things would be easier...wrong. There is a reason it is called "basic" training.

on May 07, 2007
I have about a 45 year perspective on this...I started basic in 1964...and every generation tells you how much tougher they had it. A lot of that is crap. However, it is a fact that while I was an active wanderer I saw first hand how the standards of toughness were "redefined" over the years. For a while in the seventies they quit teaching bayonet, hand to hand, creeping around in the dark, silent killing, knives, garrots, sticks and a lot of other things because,,,well...they were too offensive and cast the military in a bad light. In the 80's, after Grenada, some of those things started showing up again but it left a gap of several years where it wasn't taught so 10-15 years down the road you had senior NCO's who couldn't teach it to their troopies cause they never learned it themselves. I planned to write more about some of those consequences in later articles.

Do you suppose these changes have been made due to the all volunteer status of our militiary, the fact that it's more technologically oriented now, or just indicative of what a spoiled culture of squalling brats we've become?


Yes and yes and all of the above. PC has a lot to do with it...deciding that males and females should train together has affected it...legal crap: drill sergeants down somewhere in the hot, sticky south were being brought up on charges of abuse because they continued trainiing when the "wet bulb" got too high (a method of determining the effect of temperatue and humidity on humans...kind of like windchill in reverse). I was hoping that with the war and all it would improve but Hypoborean Wanderer, that wonderful white winged warrior, informs me it is worse if anything.

We still produce the best soldiers the world has ever seen in spite of the weakness of our programs...because when they get to the real army, they meet up with guys like HBW who teach them the real deal and shape them up. Don't blame the 'cruits. In several surveys over the last few decades, basic training graduates were disappointed in basic...they wanted it to be tougher. We all want to brag about how tough it was.
on May 07, 2007
Why in the world would they quit teaching these techniques prior to the end of the Vietnam conflict in 1975? Or is that when they starting eschewing these grittier (but no doubt ass-preserving) tactics?


We pulled out of Vietnam (thanks to congress cutting off the funds...sound familiar?) in 1973. By 1974 the techniques we called "combatives" were phasing out. During bayonet training we were taught to yell as we thrusted...the instructor would yell, "what is the spirit of the bayonet?" and we would answer, "to kill!" Lots of stuff like that pumps the kids up and unleashes the barbarian in them. But no doubt the doves who ran things back then felt it was too...barbaric? Money had a lot to do with it, too. I got pissed and left the Army in 1971 as the "all volunteer Army" kicked in and ruined my life. I came back in 1974 because being a civilian ruined it even more. In that three years, everything changed and not all for the better.

In some small way, I can understand that these things aren't quite as necessary in today's theaters, with surgical strikes and death dealt from afar being the order of the day for the most part. It's the other part that concerns me, the rank and file grunt with a gun who still has a decent likelyhood of coming face to face with someone who wants to kill his ass and will use whatever's at hand to do so.


They are more necessary than ever...not necessarily because we want to go hand to hand with Hadji...but because it does instill a warrior mentality and builds confidence. There is no greater balm for dealing with idiots than knowing beyond a doubt that you could drop them dead in 5 or 6 different ways right now. Not doing it...but knowing it...and giving a little smile. And as you say, grunt or cook, scout or truck driver...when the bad guys come you want to be able to hold up you end of the conversation.

btw, Whip, "grunt" is what we call the infantry fellas...and they have some colorful titles for us, too.
on May 07, 2007
And too, the grunts...the fellas most likely to need that sort of thing, still got that in their advanced training...and of course they got to study it alot when they arrived at their permanent stations after training. And again let me say...they are damn good at what they do...I guess doctrine was that REMFs wouldn't need that stuff so why waste money on it in basic. Grenada changed all that thinking and we went overboard in the other direction...I was in the 7th Infantry at Fort Ord when the Army changed it's designation to a "Light Infantry" Division...so everyone of every job description was required to qualify as a "Light Fighter"...sort of a mini-ranger course and then units had to qualify together. So after more than 10 years malaise, Lottie, Dottie, and every body had to catch up. The idea was that the division would be dropped off somewhere with basically what they could carry on their backs and they would sustain themselves with what the brought and what they could procure on the ground until a bigger, badder, more serious division could arrive.

HBW tells me they are very heavy into combatives nowadays and the units are toughening training even if basic isn't.