OPINION
If you don't know the eight steady hold factors, you shouldn't be packin'
Published on December 18, 2007 By Big Fat Daddy In Misc
The Swirling Epicenter is unusually aswirl this last week. The shooting at Pastor Ted's Church has gotten international coverage, the local talk radio is aflame with rhetoric about gun control and gun proliferation and who should shoot, who shouldn't shoot, who can carry and who can't carry. The ususal teams line up on opposite sides of the ball and the game is on. The problem is that I agree with both sides to an extent, but disagree as well. There has been a lot of discussion, even here on Joe, about other countries who have no guns and what Utopian societies they are. The other side quotes the founders about the right to bear and the need for a well regulated militia.

One of the scariest nights I spent in Vietnam was when our compound was attacked and more than half of the unit forgot all about defense plans and where they were supposed to be and started running around in the dark with loaded rifles. That was more scary than the VC. And that is exactly how I feel a lot of the time right here in the Swirl. I am not sure that it is a good idea for everyone to stick a gun in their pocket and head out into the hate. For one thing, if you pull out a gun in a tense situation, what is left? If you aren't trained in how to handle it, you face the very real possibility of having it taken away from you...and then things really suck. The phrase "well regulated" in the 2nd Amendment means a militia that is well trained in the handling and use of firearms. And if you do pull it out, are you prepared to use it...if not, what happens next? Some other guy pulls his and maybe he isn't inhibited in the firing of it. And you started it ! Don't get me wrong. If the pooh poo gets in the propeller, I don't want to be the only one at the party without a noisemaker. But if you don't know what you are doing, I don't want you to have one.

Here's what I think. Anyone who wants to buy a gun should be willing to submit to a background check. Private citizens should not need fully automatic weapons, but should not be restricted in the purchase of semi-automatics. And this is pretty much the law right now. I would add to it that anyone who wants to buy a gun should have to show proof of training. I think it ought to be more than a note from Uncle John saying he took you out behind the barn and showed you which end the bullets come out of. I know there are many who argue that this is too restrictive, anyone should be able to buy a gun, any kind of gun, anytime with out any gument interference. There are also many who feel this is not nearly stringent enough. And more than a few who want to collect up all the guns and melt them into slag. I really don't care. I've heard it all before. I own several guns...(and for all you ex-military out there, I giggle everytime I call them my "guns") I haven't ever killed a deer. I don't like hunting...not agin it if it is your cuppa...but I am not interested in killing animals. I do enjoy getting out with my buds and blowing up soda cans and putting holes in the ten ring on paper. I have shot competitvely a time or two and I enjoyed that , too. I don't think it is any of your business why I own guns or what kind of guns I own. My stuff is all legal, I am a law-abiding, tax paying, speed limit obeying, straight shooting citizen.

The problem is not gun proliferation, it is not a lack of law, it is not a police problem, or anything else along those lines. It is a problem with the people who feel they can safely go where citizens gather; malls, churches, post offices, work places, and so on; and start shooting everyone they see. I am not interested in their motives, their history, the pain of their youth. They made a decision to act a certain way and THAT is the problem. In the case of our church shooter, he never reached the full potential of his action because a little lady took him on and shot him up so bad he killed himself. I don't know if any of the other shooters would have been deterred by knowing there were a bunch of concealed weapons carriers in their target zone, but for sure they wouldn't have racked up the numbers they did. We don't carry as a deterant, we carry for PROTECTION.

This is just a ramble. This whole week, every time I started to write something I found myself staring at the screen and thinking about this. I hope I can exorcise this demon and get back to the fun stuff, now.

Comments
on Dec 18, 2007
I think you have a really solid take on this. And I say that as someone who is not a fan of guns ("weapons", haha).
on Dec 18, 2007
You know, I agree more than disagree here. I actually see no problem with private ownership of automatics, but I agree that people should be trained and certified in the type of weapon they wish to purchase, and I agree with background checks. Neither destroys the intent of the Second Amendment. After all, a "well regulated militia" wouldn't be composed with kooks or idiots who think tracer bullets are a really good thing to shoot down subway tunnels at night!

Good piece, Big Fat Daddy. If the JU gods are listening, it deserves a feature!
on Dec 18, 2007
Good piece, Big Fat Daddy. If the JU gods are listening, it deserves a feature!


Amen to that.
on Dec 18, 2007
This article has all the elements which the current debate lacks.  Sound reasoning, and solid justification for a plan that is not perfect, but shows a lot of common sense and deals with the issue in the best possible way for all parties involved.
on Dec 18, 2007
I have mixed feelings on this issue too.  It makes me sick when I hear about little kids getting killed or shooting each other with weapons that aren't make child safe.  Not that I'm not sad about anyone who gets murdered by gun violence but that particular situation seems so preventable with just common sense and a lock box.  I was very strongly anti-gun until I read "Snow Falling over Cedars" which was set on the back drop of the WWII Japanese interment camps.  The first thing they did before they locked them up was take away their weapons and that gave me pause on the issue.  There definately aren't any easy answers. 
on Dec 18, 2007
Thank you all for your responses. Responsible gun ownership and use is not a threat to anyone. On the other hand, irresponsible people don't need a gun to kill. As the bumper sticker says "Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns"
on Dec 18, 2007
i was so hot to get a gun a few years ago, so i got a big ole dirty harry thing. i thought i was bad @$$ till i fired the thing.
guns are scary. i am like you, i like to go out to the ditch and blow up cans. but my stomach hurts when i imagine what that same shot would've done to a person.
luckily, i learned what i know from a pro, but i just don't want it to come to the point where we all have to carry. i guess i would just stay home.
no good answers. like too many problems, no good answers.
now give me somebody's butt to kick.......i can handle that.
on Dec 18, 2007
It makes me sick when I hear about little kids getting killed or shooting each other with weapons that aren't make child safe.


You know... I may not want a gun in the house, for just that reason... but I sure don't want the robber to know I don't have one!

Also, guns aren't safe. Even the safest gun isn't safe. Even a locked up gun with no bullets in it isn't safe. And, that's not going to help you very much when someone's breaking in, is it?
on Dec 18, 2007
Also, guns aren't safe. Even the safest gun isn't safe. Even a locked up gun with no bullets in it isn't safe. And, that's not going to help you very much when someone's breaking in, is it?


This is a really good point. There are ways to make weapons available in a hurry and still keep them away from children. But the only way to keep children totally safe from guns is to not have them around. The alternative is to train them in the safe use and storage of guns and promise "Hell's coming" if they get into them. I don't have any littlies living in my house now, but they do come around. Therefore, the gun safe contains all but one...that one is available quickly but not to a child.

but my stomach hurts when i imagine what that same shot would've done to a person.

Yeah, it ain't at all like TV. If the public was shown more footage of the carnage caused by the shooters, especially to themselves, that might be a better deterant even than concealed carriers.