OPINION
There I Was...#72
Published on September 5, 2008 By Big Fat Daddy In Misc

Uncle Lloyd retired from the Army and moved to Central California. He had spent over 20 years as an MP officer, and got through WW II and Korea with honors and decorations. He wrapped up his 20+ years as Military Liaison to the Pakistani Army, stationed at the US embassy in Karachi...at about the time the whole thing went nuts and they had to be evacuated. He was always proud of me...being in the Army and all...especially since his oldest son had joined the Navy.

I got out of the Army in July of 1967, just for a few months, and shortly afterward got an invitation from Uncle Lloyd to come up to his place in Sonora. I packed my little sister and my mom in the green GTO and we made a mini-vacation out of it.

Lloyd had gone to work for California Corrections and was a guard at the medium-security prison near Sonora. A day or two after we got to Sonora, he suggested I go with him and see where he worked. I wasn't overly fond of the idea, but I was very fond of Uncle Lloyd, so I went with him to check things out.

The parking lot outside the prison was not remarkable;  the walkways were being swept and the grounds being tended to by several inmates. Uncle Lloyd explained the trustee program and the different levels an inmate could qualify for. We watched the men work for a few minutes, then he nudged my arm and pointed up to the corner guard tower where the distinctive long barrel of a high-power, scoped rifle was visible on the railing. Lloyd said that the grounds were cleared around the wall to a distance of 200 yards. The guards with the long guns were good out to 400 yards. And they were always watching whenever the trustees were outside the wall.

We entered through the Sally Port;  I had visited the stockade in Mannheim and the one in Long Binh so I understood how things worked. We went inside the inner gate and it shut with a solid, heavy, klunk. That was an eerie sound. And it was accompanied by an immediate feeling of discomfort. Nothing you could put your hand on...but uncomfortable. For the next hour or so, we strolled through the common areas where the inmates lounged and exercised. We toured the minimum security area where the inmates lived in a barracks-like open bay. We went through the mess area, not much different from Army messhalls. We went through the medium security cell blocks.

It was apparent from the very moment we were inside the wall that Uncle Lloyd was a recognized authority figure. Any inmate who spoke to us did so with respect. Some of them asked him if this was the nephew he had told them about and some of them were curious about Vietnam and what I had done there. Most of them didn't speak, but only a very few were hostile- appearing. I commented on the upper body development of many of the inmates, and asked Lloyd if it concerned him to wander around loose amid so many younger, stronger, and sometimes hostile guys. He stopped in the middle of the yard and looked around. We could see maybe 70-80 inmates around us. He said, "First, I am older, but I spent my whole career as an Army cop or worse. I know a thing or two they haven't learned yet. Second, I have counseled many of these young men and they know I am trying to help them adjust their thinking and they appreciate that. And third..." he nudged my arm again and pointed to the towers; in every one you could see one of those gun barrels traversing the yard.

Lloyd was an Army cop, and his specialty was interrogating people. He was an expert at getting inside your head and twisting you up. He read people well and could make them feel like they WANTED to talk to him, NEEDED to unburden themselves. I know he was good. He got into my head that day...big time. I left the prison absolutely, positively, no-doubt-about-it determined that I would NEVER be a resident in a place like that. And that was his intent. He never warned me, never lectured me on what happens if you get in trouble and wind up here, never said a word at all about living right or avoiding lawlessness. But the lesson was cemented more firmly than if he had. He let reality do the talking. I wasn't planning any robberies or assaults at the time, but that is a passive attitude...he caused my attitude to shift into an active mode...seriously planning on NOT screwing up and joining the crew inside. I was smart enough, and knew Lloyd well enough, to understand what he had done and outside the wall as we walked to the parking lot, I glanced over my shoulder at the long guns in the towers and said, "Thanks, Uncle Lloyd". He just put his big old karate-man, judo-man, sniper-man, crook-catchin' arm across my shoulder and smiled at me.

The memories of that tour are vivid today, forty-one years later. It wasn't a "scared straight" kind of a deal. It was just a loving uncle giving a nephew who had the potential for some irresponsible behavior some life-guidance. Just a walk behind the wall.

 


Comments
on Sep 05, 2008

Tova, this was a memory jarred loose by your experiences with your brother and the notice today of his final disposition.  I wish every young 'un could have an hour of two with Lloyd.  I hope your brother is able to get it together, for both your sakes. 

on Sep 06, 2008

Well, fair is fair.  Your dad lost one to the army, so your uncle had to lose one to the navy.

My BIL works down in the Imperial  Valley Prison (dont know the name), but then I am quite a bit older, so I have never asked for a tour.  Not that I really want one.

on Sep 06, 2008

so I have never asked for a tour.

You may notice in the story above, I never asked for one, either!  Lloyd was just insuring I understood that there were consequences for some of the more "fun" stuff I got into.

on Sep 08, 2008

Tova, this was a memory jarred loose by your experiences with your brother and the notice today of his final disposition. I wish every young 'un could have an hour of two with Lloyd. I hope your brother is able to get it together, for both your sakes.

Thanks BFD.  This is exactly the kind of man Jay needs in his life.  Even tho he is supposed to be grown man himself.

Sorry I missed it on the day you posted.  I am scatter brained right now.

Went to a family reunion on Sat and found out from my dad, who was there at the sentencing, that the judge assigned Jay just such a man for TWO YEARS once all his drug treatment is done.

When I called Jay's lawyer he said, "The judge read your letter.  He's giving Jay a solid male role model to immolate because he agrees with you, that Jay never had a chance without one."

I hope its not too late.  39 is kinda old for new lessons, but I'm hoping since he's so young at heart, well....~fingers crossed~

Glad you were actively trying to stay out of trouble.  hahaha...Loved that line.

on Sep 08, 2008

Seems unfair sometimes that some folks get an abundance of role models and some don't get any.   Here's hoping he can make the adjustments...39 is just a number.

on Sep 08, 2008

Here's hoping he can make the adjustments...39 is just a number.

hahaha...A number I got WRONG.. I AM 39 he is 36....shesh...see?  SCATTER BRAINED.

on Sep 09, 2008

I AM 39

Forever?

on Sep 09, 2008

Forever?

Forever ends on the 17th of this month. 

on Sep 13, 2008

Ooooooh nooooooo!  Say it isn't so.  Tova?  40?  How can this be?  Mere jailbait!

on Sep 13, 2008

Ooooooh nooooooo! Say it isn't so. Tova? 40? How can this be? Mere jailbait!

Hardly...I feel REALLY old walking around the college campus, tho I don't know what girls are doing with themselves these days...a lot of 20 somethings here look old, tired and haggard.  Of course the pants that show butt crack and belly don't help. 

on Sep 14, 2008

I wish there were more Uncle Lloyds in some of these young men lives I see walking around my neighborhood. 

They are becoming little hooligans and it is sad.  I scare them straight when they come at me with their rude behaviour so now they walk far away and are weary when they see me because I don't take crap from them!  They are little criminals in the making and their parents don't care about it, it makes me very angry that they are like this!

 

We have something in common, BFD, my favorite uncle was a man named Uncle Lloyd, at least he was for the earlier part of my life, til he did something really unforgiveable, but I haven't forgotten the love I had for him back in the day..he's dead now.  My dad was also known as Lloyd, his nick name was Lloydie..considering that his name was Ronald, I never asked him how he became known as Lloyd!lol

on Sep 14, 2008

When you was a kid, FS, lots of fellas had "street names" to disguise who they really were

Lloyd was special and it is a shame that more kids don't have a male role model like him.  He was a man who had deadly skills and a rough history but could be as gentle and loving with his daughters as a teddy bear.  He had the bearing of a leader...and men recognized that and always treated him with respect.  He was quiet but authoritative, gentle but firm.  And smart.  You could learn alot from him just watching him deal with people.