OPINION
Adventures in Socialized Medicine
Published on June 23, 2009 By Big Fat Daddy In Misc

In October 1981, while reviewing a parade with many dignitaries from several nations, Anwar Sadat was assassinated. One of the trucks in the parade stopped in front of the reviewing stand. Men dressed as Egyptian soldiers threw flash-bangs into the reviewing party then opened fire with AK-47s. One of the shooters jumped from the truck, ran up to the reviewing stand, and fired point blank into the reviewing party. Some on the stand threw folding chairs over Sadat and his party to try to protect them from the rifle fire. Others huddled in the pre-natal position and prayed for a poor aim. There were many U.S. officers on the stand, including a Marine Three-Star and our boss at EUCOM, an Air Force Four-Star. Their usual assortment of horse-holders were there as well. The Aide to the Air Force General was wounded in his foot. The Marine General's Aide took one in the thigh. Neither General was wounded. The US officers who were not wounded were hustled off to the Air Field and immediately took off for safer places. The wounded were left to be taken to the military hospital in Cairo.

The Aides were put in the same room and were given emergency aid, bandaged, and then left alone. They could hear people crying and screaming and moaning. There was another wounded soldier in the room with them, but he wasn't making any noise; he had been dead before they arrived. The Aides were both in severe pain. Major Ryan, the Air Force Aide, had had an AK round go through his foot at point blank range. They put the foot in a cast (without any attempt to set the bones or even take an x-ray), elevated his leg and changed him into Egyptian pajamas. They put a cast on the Marine's leg as well, and gave him the same change of clothes and traction rig for his leg. As the afternoon turned into evening and no one came to check on them, they began to yell and throw things out into the hallway to try to get someone's attention. The Marine was having extreme pains in his thigh. The cast was apparently too tight and with his leg swelling, his foot was turning purple. It was late in the evening before anyone came into the room. An orderly was there to retrieve the dead patient. After a few minutes of hand signals and shouted threats, the orderly got the idea and fetched a doctor. He removed the cast from the Marine's leg and replaced it with a pressure bandage. He didn't do anything for Major Ryan. They were told that they needed care that couldn't be provided at that hospital. As soon as the "situation" was clear and stable, the Egyptians would try to get them to the Air Field and evacuate them to Italy or Germany. There was still the fear that the assassination was the prelude to a full-scale revolt; everyone was very edgy and no one was allowed to move around the city at all.

Major Ryan was growing concerned about his foot. His cast was softening from the inside and blood was starting to soak through to the outside. Blood was also trickling down his leg and drying under him. He was stuck to the bedding and his pajamas. It was about two days after the shooting that the two aides were loaded onto an airplane and flown to Landstuhl. The Egyptians had showed up in force on the morning they were to fly; the hospital room abuzz with doctors and orderlies. They had put a new cast on Maj Ryan (over the blood-soaked, smelly, itchy cast), a new dressing on the Marine, and put them onto transport gurneys, bloody sheets and all. At Landstuhl it took a couple hours of soaking to free the Major from his jammies and sheets.

The bullet had traveled across Ryan's foot at about the peak of his arch. All the bones between his ankle and his toes were shattered and pushed over to the exit side of his wound. The tissue around the breaks was shredded, swollen, and extremely painful. I am not sure how many surgeries were required to put his foot back together, but I do know that it was more than a year after the shooting before he was able to run again. He had been an avid runner before his trip to Egypt: marathons, mini-marathons, fun-runs, you name it. I don't know if he was ever able to get back to that activity level again. I never heard what all the Marine had to endure, but his bones were intact so it wasn't nearly as hard as Ryan had it. The delays Ryan endured nearly cost him his foot. He was being treated in the most up-to-date, quality hospital in Egypt. I know that this was an extreme situation, that the hospital was being stressed. They needed to come up with beds for the 30-plus wounded (and apparently the eleven dead bodies). But the constant presence of flies, roaches, and other vermin, the lack of any type of hygiene, the shortage of care providers and cleaning personnel, and the general malaise of the medical staff were not a product of this emergency, they were the business-as-usual operating procedures at that facility.

While you listen to the debate raging over the need to change our health care system; while you are inundated with reasons our system is soooo screwed up; while you hear politicians who appoint themselves to the status of subject-matter experts on medical treatment tell us that the new system won't cost us an arm and a leg...or a foot...ask yourself this. Which system do you think Chris Ryan would prefer...what we have here and now or the socialized system they have in Egypt? If you think that this is irrelevant to today's debate, you are wrong. While our system may not be perfect, it is a quantum leap past most of the rest of the world.

 


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on Jun 30, 2009

This is one of the key reasons I haven't packed up and moved to my wife's country.  I'm not a big fan of doctors but in the case that you speak of, dang skippy I'd be at the hospital.  

on Jul 01, 2009

That is a weird way to argue a case against health reform. Egypt in 1981 as an example for a socialized healthcare system against reform in the US?! Comeon. Why don't you use Germany as an example? We have a "socialized" healthcare system as well and I assure you that anybody who was shot at in 1981 in WestGermany would not have been left alone for 2 days. Emotional arguments to incite fear are seldom rational.

This does not mean that criticizing issues in a proposed reform should not be done, but it should be more to the point and specific and not about political ideology. I don't think generalizing a huge political issue like the healthcare reform with one example of a personal tragedy in a third world country works very well to make a point.

on Jul 01, 2009

I don't think generalizing a huge political issue like the healthcare reform with one example of a personal tragedy in a third world country works very well to make a point.

Re-read the last two sentences. This is not designed to be an "emotional appeal". It is a story with a moral. While many are trying to sell us on the idea that the US system of health care is broken, unfair, unavailable or elitist, I am merely pointing out that health care in the US is a quantum leap beyond most of the rest of the world and that before a bunch of politicians (drooling with the anticipation of tuning things up to their agenda) are allowed to "fix" it, we should step back and realize all that is right with the system and what might be lost if it goes socialized. The comparison with 1981 Egypt is germain only to the story. But in point of fact, if you were to go there today and get shot up, the care you receive would not be measurably improved over what Chris got then. Socialized anything lifts no one. Everyone drops to the lowest common denominator. You are German? You reunified in 1993, right? How did that work out for ya? At last blush, the folks from the Ost are still not caught up with their western brethern. Why? I do not want to see one of the world's premiere institutions dragged down into the Democrat mold and destroyed. You shouldn't either.

on Jul 01, 2009

The reason we have such a problem with our current health care system is lawyers and DC. 

on Jul 02, 2009

And insurance...yep!

on Jul 02, 2009

And insurance...yep!

BFD, I really don't see the problem being with insurance.  I support the notion of contributing to a pool that is there if I or someone else in the pool have a severe misfortune that is very expensive.  I like having the option of being in a pool that I choose and not one that someone else (AKA gov't) choosing for me. 

The gov't has meddled and meddled in insurance making it loose it's original form and how it helped people.  I would love to see a study in how much is spent in paying for the audits of regulations that are put on insurance companies.  Integrity has been lost on all sides.  Doctors who are now playing with lobbists (aka pharmies) for kick backs, Insurances who pay here but not here game, lawyers who run amok just looking for blood, DC who continues to undermine the integrity of the whole process.  This reminds me essentially of PC and affirmative action.  Each have gone past their usefulness and purpose and therefore make up a purpose and usefulness that is purely an delusion. 

*sigh*


BFD how close were you to that tornado that was on the south side of ur area?

on Jul 02, 2009

BFD how close were you to that tornado that was on the south side of ur area?

TORNADO??!!#$ YIKES!!  Not close.  We hear about them and sometimes we get some good winds...we came home from "Angels and Demons" last week and found tree branches and debris around the yard and on the roof but nothing worthy of the title "tornado".  The weather guessers called it a micro-burst.

As to insurance.  In its original form, I guess it was a good thing, especially for what is now called "catastrophic" illness or injury.  But because services are paid by a third party with very deep pockets, the costs have skyrocketed.  Gone are the days when you could pay the sawbones with a chicken and a slab of bacon.  It is a spiralling mess.  Doctors complain that they can't make any money, patiients complain they can't afford the services without insurance...they only party not complaining is the insurance companies.  I heard about a system where the patients pay directly to the docs for keeping them healthy and fit.  If they get sick, they don't pay until they are well.  When we lived in Phoenix we belonged to a neighborhood clinic.  We paid a monthly payment and then we had access to office visits, exams, repair of injuries, etc...included.  A trip to the emergency room or after hours visits were extra and of course, you had to have extra coverage for catastrophy or chronic illness.  No insurance involved and it was very reasonable.  But they couldn't do that today with the spiralling cost of MALPRACTICE INSURANCE and increased cost of labs and such.  In all, it is a mess...law suits for a hangnail, $100 aspirin tablets and all that have put the whole system in jeopardy.  BUT...letting the government turn it into another AMTRAK just doesn't pass the common sense test.

I am experiencing a problem.  I am not able to post comments on my own threads.  An error has occurred...but if I go through the forum, it posts...weirdness.

on Jul 02, 2009

You are German? You reunified in 1993, right? How did that work out for ya?

The iron curtain fell in 1989, well it all began with communal elections in the GDR in March 1989 where the socialst union party (SED) "won" with something like 98%. People were enraged because many made their vote invalid or did not vote for the SED and there was no way that result could be true. It was a well known fact that the elections were all rigged anyway but this time the populace started to demonstrate against their regime (sound famlilar - Iran) and gathered regularly every Monday to demonstrate and also organized weekly meetings in protestant churches which offered a guise as "non-political". Half a year later the wall in Berlin fell on November 9th. It will be the 20th anniversary this year, I am sure you'll hear about it in the media. It was the beginning of the end of the cold war. ( I am sure there are quite a few people who'd prefer the cold war over fighting terrorists organizations and miss the good ole times). I am too young to really remember what it was like to live in a devided country. Oficially, Germany reunified on October 3rd, 1990. There had to be alot of negotiating being done before the dotted line could be signed, like what to do with east german army, boundaries etc. Did you know that the 3rd reich was never oficially dissolved after WW2? On paper at least huge portions of what is Poland today are still German. Issues like that had to be adressed. I find that part recent history fascinating.

How did it work out? That's a loaded question., because, in a socialst regime the government controlled everything but it also gave people a sense of security. They were used to have no free choice and when the free market economy was introduced it was a shock to many. It left a wake of destruction because many businesses had to shut down because they were not profitable, high unemployment etc. made democratic freedom and civil rights look less and less appealing. 40 years of socialst indoctrination left its mark. But by now a new generation that was born after 1990 is at the start and things start looking better. Sadly, in the east, the successorr of the SED, a ultra left party, is sort of successful, along with the ultra right neonazi party. The two fundamentalist political parties were able to convince those who are unemployed, uneducated and unhappy that the "old way" aka socialism or well nazism was better and they had a huge success in one communal election and were able to enter the state parliament. They won because regular normal people were disillusioned with politics and didn't vote and the ultra left and right were able to mobilze their clientel to vote. It all has fallen apart fairly quickly though. All in all, the east is shaping up nicely, but it is a long and hard journy. Many thought that democracy alone would make things better and had a cruel awakening in the real world.

I wanted to add that stories with a moral at the end just don't work for me in the context with politics, it looks too much like idedology. And that can be a bad bad word in Germany. Especially if the stories are very emotional and tell of personal experiences. It is too easy to sway people on grounds of emotions that blank out all other rationale. I think that is my main objection with your approach. I have seen that emotions seem to be the main driving motor in political processes in the US, and it looks weird from the outside.

Did you know that officially Germany has a system dubbed socialdemocratic republic? Social and democrat - 2 out of 3 that you don't like lol. But Germany is very far away from being a socialist country, the US made sure of that after WW2. That was one big reason what the Marshall plan was for after all, to make sure Germany did not fall under the spell of the USSR and joined the Warshaw pact. It worked well, and it turned Germany into a democracy over the decades. I can tell you that even though the federal and state governments have more clout in Germany, we won't turn into a socialist regime. We also have a more heterogeneous political spectrum with 4-5 political parties that are important on a federal level, which makes one party domination impossible because the big parties always have to form coalitions to have a majority in parliament.

on Jul 02, 2009

We also have a more heterogeneous political spectrum with 4-5 political parties that are important on a federal level, which makes one party domination impossible because the big parties always have to form coalitions to have a majority in parliament.

*Sigh* If only that could happen here.

 

on Jul 02, 2009

heh. Makes for interesting election campaigns anyway. Ours come up in September and the parties are just now nominating their candidates etc. Will be a fun filled summer of empty promises and slick politicians practicin their gift of gab.

on Jul 02, 2009

Will be a fun filled summer of empty promises and slick politicians practicin their gift of gab.

That's all too familiar.

Government leaders should just be chosen like Jury duty here in the states.  Enough with career politicians.

 

on Jul 02, 2009

On a different note, I found this article interesting and thought Id share

Banned east german comedy premiers 40 years late

 

on Jul 02, 2009

Posting my creds, Ut, I was there when the wall came down, and off and on for 25 years before that, too.  I saw first hand what unification did to your economy and social systems.  I admire the willingness of the German people to bring the eastern folk back into the fold, but as Kohl warned ya'll, it took more than ten years to balance things out (and still working on it).  The word "socialized" in application to medical systems is a misnomer, I should say "government ran" med systems, which you do have. And a pretty good one at that.  But still not a free and open system and like so many other things in Germany, over-regulated and controlled.  Which is all apples and oranges as far as my article is concerned.  Respecting your OPINION on stories with a moral, I still have to say that this article is about what we could loose if we are not careful.  Now, go write your own article about the downfall of emotional responses.

on Jul 03, 2009

You were there? Can you tell more about that time? This year is the 20th anniversary after all, and that was worldhistory in the making. That would be so great. I was 12 when all that went down, too young to really understand why it was such a big deal, just that it was. I wish I would have known more of what I know now back then. I spoke with people about it in the meantime, but never heard it from the side of a US soldier stationed here during that time. My brother in law was a private in the GDR's army in 1989, and I found it fascinating to hear his account as well.

German's like being regulated and controlled and follwing rules, but you are right, there is too much of it and the administration is trying to cut it back big time with reforms of their own, but somehow it is difficult to actually get it done. Instead they create more agencies that regulate other agencies and it is very confusing and useless. That part, I am conservative. Too much bureaucracy is only counterproductive.

Funny thing is that the social system in Germany was actually created by the conservatives (Bismarck) to disempower the socialist party in the 1880's. And now it seems to be the other way around, at least in ideology.

 

Thanks and from Deutschland

I might actually write an article on the pitfalls of emtions in politics -  I heard the people screaming YES after Hitler asked them if they wanted total war, and ever since I tend to be suspicious of tactics that use emotions and fears as the main motivating force behind a decision.

on Jul 03, 2009

I saw first hand what unification did to your economy and social systems

There are quite a few people  that are actually for rebuilding the wall - or question wether the price was really worth it all. My answer to that is yes, it is worth it and no price is too high. Reunification under a democratic government had always been the goal, since the founding of the FRG in 1949. It was a really weird constellationg, 2 different systems and 2 different ideologies, both claiming to the one that should be valid for all of Germany. Kohl's promise of 10 years might have been hasty, but even if he was off 20 or 30 years, it was the right thing to do. People just weren't prepared for how much hard work it would really be because Kohl glossed things over generously so that everybody thought it would be a walk in the park.

Nowadays something dubbed Ostalgie is making the rounds, people saying that the GDR wasn't really such a bad place to live in, that the political socialist system wasn't all that bad either etc. That is pissing of alot of people too, who suffered in the GDR and were thrown in jail as political prisoners for having a different oppinion or wanting to leave.

Then there is the whole issue of spying on each other and what to do with those westgermans who worked for the Stasi in WestGermany as informants - thousands of people that nobody really knows who they are. That will be something that historians will research more and more in the coming years. The matter of east germans who worked for the Stasi as inofficial nformants and reported about their neighbours is difficult as it is. I mean can you really throw someone in jail for treason after +20 years when the country that someone worked for doesn't exist anymore? What would happen if the FBI  found out  a US citicen that spied for the GDR/USSR? Would that person still be viewed as a traitor and tried for treason? Somehow I believe that americans would be more enraged about betrayal like that. Here people tend to be more for letting the past stay in the past.

Sorry if I went overbord in this thread, it is just something that I find fascinating

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