OPINION
Adventures in Socialized Medicine
Published on June 23, 2009 By Big Fat Daddy In Misc

In October 1981, while reviewing a parade with many dignitaries from several nations, Anwar Sadat was assassinated. One of the trucks in the parade stopped in front of the reviewing stand. Men dressed as Egyptian soldiers threw flash-bangs into the reviewing party then opened fire with AK-47s. One of the shooters jumped from the truck, ran up to the reviewing stand, and fired point blank into the reviewing party. Some on the stand threw folding chairs over Sadat and his party to try to protect them from the rifle fire. Others huddled in the pre-natal position and prayed for a poor aim. There were many U.S. officers on the stand, including a Marine Three-Star and our boss at EUCOM, an Air Force Four-Star. Their usual assortment of horse-holders were there as well. The Aide to the Air Force General was wounded in his foot. The Marine General's Aide took one in the thigh. Neither General was wounded. The US officers who were not wounded were hustled off to the Air Field and immediately took off for safer places. The wounded were left to be taken to the military hospital in Cairo.

The Aides were put in the same room and were given emergency aid, bandaged, and then left alone. They could hear people crying and screaming and moaning. There was another wounded soldier in the room with them, but he wasn't making any noise; he had been dead before they arrived. The Aides were both in severe pain. Major Ryan, the Air Force Aide, had had an AK round go through his foot at point blank range. They put the foot in a cast (without any attempt to set the bones or even take an x-ray), elevated his leg and changed him into Egyptian pajamas. They put a cast on the Marine's leg as well, and gave him the same change of clothes and traction rig for his leg. As the afternoon turned into evening and no one came to check on them, they began to yell and throw things out into the hallway to try to get someone's attention. The Marine was having extreme pains in his thigh. The cast was apparently too tight and with his leg swelling, his foot was turning purple. It was late in the evening before anyone came into the room. An orderly was there to retrieve the dead patient. After a few minutes of hand signals and shouted threats, the orderly got the idea and fetched a doctor. He removed the cast from the Marine's leg and replaced it with a pressure bandage. He didn't do anything for Major Ryan. They were told that they needed care that couldn't be provided at that hospital. As soon as the "situation" was clear and stable, the Egyptians would try to get them to the Air Field and evacuate them to Italy or Germany. There was still the fear that the assassination was the prelude to a full-scale revolt; everyone was very edgy and no one was allowed to move around the city at all.

Major Ryan was growing concerned about his foot. His cast was softening from the inside and blood was starting to soak through to the outside. Blood was also trickling down his leg and drying under him. He was stuck to the bedding and his pajamas. It was about two days after the shooting that the two aides were loaded onto an airplane and flown to Landstuhl. The Egyptians had showed up in force on the morning they were to fly; the hospital room abuzz with doctors and orderlies. They had put a new cast on Maj Ryan (over the blood-soaked, smelly, itchy cast), a new dressing on the Marine, and put them onto transport gurneys, bloody sheets and all. At Landstuhl it took a couple hours of soaking to free the Major from his jammies and sheets.

The bullet had traveled across Ryan's foot at about the peak of his arch. All the bones between his ankle and his toes were shattered and pushed over to the exit side of his wound. The tissue around the breaks was shredded, swollen, and extremely painful. I am not sure how many surgeries were required to put his foot back together, but I do know that it was more than a year after the shooting before he was able to run again. He had been an avid runner before his trip to Egypt: marathons, mini-marathons, fun-runs, you name it. I don't know if he was ever able to get back to that activity level again. I never heard what all the Marine had to endure, but his bones were intact so it wasn't nearly as hard as Ryan had it. The delays Ryan endured nearly cost him his foot. He was being treated in the most up-to-date, quality hospital in Egypt. I know that this was an extreme situation, that the hospital was being stressed. They needed to come up with beds for the 30-plus wounded (and apparently the eleven dead bodies). But the constant presence of flies, roaches, and other vermin, the lack of any type of hygiene, the shortage of care providers and cleaning personnel, and the general malaise of the medical staff were not a product of this emergency, they were the business-as-usual operating procedures at that facility.

While you listen to the debate raging over the need to change our health care system; while you are inundated with reasons our system is soooo screwed up; while you hear politicians who appoint themselves to the status of subject-matter experts on medical treatment tell us that the new system won't cost us an arm and a leg...or a foot...ask yourself this. Which system do you think Chris Ryan would prefer...what we have here and now or the socialized system they have in Egypt? If you think that this is irrelevant to today's debate, you are wrong. While our system may not be perfect, it is a quantum leap past most of the rest of the world.

 


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on Jul 03, 2009

utemia


That is a weird way to argue a case against health reform. Egypt in 1981 as an example for a socialized healthcare system against reform in the US?! Comeon. Why don't you use Germany as an example? We have a "socialized" healthcare system as well and I assure you that anybody who was shot at in 1981 in WestGermany would not have been left alone for 2 days. Emotional arguments to incite fear are seldom rational.
This does not mean that criticizing issues in a proposed reform should not be done, but it should be more to the point and specific and not about political ideology. I don't think generalizing a huge political issue like the healthcare reform with one example of a personal tragedy in a third world country works very well to make a point.

Utemia, you are willing to point out fear tactics of others BUT you fail to see the fear tactics that you are using concerning the environment.

 

on Jul 03, 2009

This of course is concerning another thread. I agree with AD that's its DC and lawyers who screwed up our health care system.  I would also add the sue happy neonates that just wanted to make quick and easy money or as Dire Straits puts it 'Money for nothing'.

The country to my understanding that has the best socialized medicine is France.  Both U.K and Canada are refining their systems with the U.K having to put another shot of money in their socialized health system just in the past few years.

I don't understand how so many leptons can think that if its not working/be cheaper in a smaller country how can it work/be cheaper in a larger one.

Germany has about about 82 million people while the U.S. has about 303 million people. That's about 3.7 times more people.  Social Health WAS NOT meant to be effective for the masses.

If the U.S. (or the insurance industry) was remotely intelligent they would try to push preventive care for its much cheaper to catch something in the early stages than it is in the later stages.

 

on Jul 03, 2009

BUT you fail to see the fear tactics that you are using concerning the environment.

You refer to the thread from Draginol right? I didn't aim to sound like that there, but maybe I didn't deliver as well as I thought I had. Selfperception is hardly ever right after all, Thanx I'll work on being more careful in the future.

 

on Jul 03, 2009

In answer to your question about what it was like...for us it was not much of a change.  Suddenly there were Traubies clogging up the A-bahn but for the most part, life for GIs wasn't much different.  Of course, we were preoccupied with a little thing called DESERT SHIELD/STORM which had a lot of us running in circles trying to prepare an Army trained for the hills and forests of Central Europe for battle in the deserts of the middle east.  But the news was full of stories about unemployment rates and unemployable Osties who were not marketable in a capitalist system.  They had skills that were decades outdated, they had no work ethic and as you pointed out, a lot of folks began to see the reunification as a mistake.  Almost immediately the skinheads showed up in force making it hard on Gastarbeiters and Osties alike.  A new and vocal nationalism showed up, too, causing some of Germany's neighbors to be a little uncomfortable.  I started my Army career in Bad Kissingen where our job was to guard the East/West German border.  For the next twentyfive years I returned to Germany several times to return to that focus.  Keep the borders secure.  We looked across the wire at the Vopos and Russians and East German Army knowing that we weren't much more than a speed bump if those folks decided to come across.  So when 100,000 East Germans were lining up at the Austrian border and other places were getting restive, we were more than a little nervous about it.  The night the wall was torn down we sat in our quarters in Ludwigsburg and couldn't believe our eyes.  It was great on one hand, scary on the other.  But like I said, no big whoop for the GIs, but we saw all around us how the inflation, unemployment, lowering of social standards and more than a little lawlessness affected our neighbors.

on Jul 03, 2009

Oh, about the informants and the forgive and forget attitudes...don't believe it.  During the late seventies and early eighties I was in Stuttgart-Vaihingen and had more than a little interface with German counter-terrorism folks.  You have an organization that no one even knew about for the first five or six years it existed.  When they made international news in 1977 rescuing a Lufthansa airliner from RAF terrorists, everyone was shocked that the Germans, who looked like the Keystone Kops in Munich in 1972 could turn out a group that efficient and that ruthless.  Since then their activities are still pretty much kept under wraps but you can bet that treasonous folks that get identified will become familiar with GSG-9 ricky-tick.

I spent almost fourteen of my 26 years of active duty in Germany and I have a great love for the country and a lot of its people.  The struggle to make reunification work is going to pay off in the long run and it will be one of the highest points in German history. 

Where abouts do you live?

on Jul 04, 2009

I live not too far away from where you were stationed, in Freiburg. It's at the southern edge of the black forest, about 60km north of Basel, 2h-3hrs from Stuttgart on the Autobahn.. I have to say, I realllly like US interstates in comparison. Everybody is going with the same slow speed (an average of 70mph is slow compared to here), no stress - the only crazy thing is that people will pass you on the right and that is just madness, but since everybody is cruising more or less at the same speed it is manageable. Autobahn is nervewracking! If I cam avoid driving I rather use the train or have someone else drive.

Those informants or spies in the West are undiscorered as of yet, and they weren't killing people directly or comitting obvious crimes, "Just" sold or provided information to the (now nonexistent) enemy, as it were. All the data from the Stasi - if it wasn't destroyed by Stasi employees or even stolen by the CIA - has to be analyzed and it is tedious work. And it is not even sure that they are discovered at all.  They would be put on trial, but public outrage wouldn't be so grand.

We looked across the wire at the Vopos and Russians and East German Army knowing that we weren't much more than a speed bump if those folks decided to come across

I have a buddy from Lübeck  who told me that in case of a nuclear attack, Nato would have flattened Lübeck in a sort of preemptive strike to deny the Russians conquering it - my tactical knowledge is nonexistent, but I found that pretty chilling. All of Germany would have been a speedbump if the Abomb had been used. I am so glad all of this is over, even though it was probably easier to predict an enemy that was similiar to yourself and had clear rules like the Russian army and the NVA did than predicting terrorist attacks. In hindsight I would actually prefer the coldwar over islamic fundamentalism.

It is Trabbi, short for Trabant, and we call them Ossies (due to the saxonian dialect), but Osties has a nice ring to it.

I sometimes wonder how GI's like it in Germany but as of now I haven't really been able to grill one about their personal experiences, like if you live on post or in barracks, how much of german lifestyle do you actually experience? Do US underage drinking laws apply .. I love our beer, Glühwein, Feuerzangenbowle und Weinfeste, so I bet loads of GI's below the age of 21 are irresistably tempted by that. Are they allowed to drink or not? It must have been a blast in Kaiserslautern during the summer of 2006 and the worldcup, at least for those that were not deploying to Iraq.

It was great to read a few of your stories about your time here, and Im happy you liked it. I like Germany too (it is cooler than Iowa - lived there for a year - anyday of the week, that's for sure!)

Happy 4th of July!

on Jul 04, 2009

Low yield "tactical" nukes were the last resort...remember we were about 15 divisions (Allies all combined) facing over 100 divisions.  But the Fulda Gap and the plains of Northern Germany were the most likely avenues of approach and there were plans to plug those holes with tactical nukes.  Of course that would have signaled the end of everything because no matter what the "experts" say, there is no such thing as a "limited nuclear exchange".  If the Russians thought they were losing, they would send their entire arsenal everywhere.

Most of the guys I knew enjoyed their German experience.  I encouraged my soldiers to get out among the local people and participate in fests and other events.  I lived in an apartment in Lampertheim, near Mannheim and then the rest of the time we lived in government quarters.  Living in quarters is a little isolating at times, it is like a small American town in the middle of a foreign country.  Some families stay isolated and go home telling everyone that Germany sucks.  But a lot of families get out into the local neighborhoods and travel and sight-see and enjoy the fabulous restaurants and all.  We enjoyed Saturday morning forays into the International Market in Stuttgart for fresh produce and fruit and whatever else was there at the time.  We regularly went "castle-hunting" and other touristy stuff.  It was cool to have a community that was homelike and familiar and right outside the gate you could be on a European vacation.  The Black Forest is one or our favorite places to drive around in and explore, my favorite part is the open air museum in Gutach and the restaurant in Triberg that is right at the entrance to the falls.  They have the very best mautaschen in the world.  We went through your city just one time that I remember but were impressed.  It is beautiful. 

GIs are people, too.  Some of them will get out of the barracks and see the sights and have a good time.  Others will just find a bar or a gasthaus and drink a lot and sometimes fight each other or locals and tell war stories about it the rest of their lives.  Some will hang out in the on-base clubs and snackbars and rarely leave the post and be unhappy and forever tell their stories about how the army sucks.  Just like there are some Germans who like us, some who don't. 

Now I have to go out to the backyard and fire up the altar, we are ready to celebrate this holiday in style.

on Jul 04, 2009

I got something interesting for you.. the little city where I grew up, Meersburg, has a really old castle, the oldest parts are from the 7th century. Over time it was enlarged, and Bishops of Konstanz (Meersburg is at the lake of Constance) took up residence there after the reformation. Now there was a dispute over who would get elected as archbiship. the candidate of the Pope or the candidate of the King and well, they had a standoff in Meersburg. One candidate holed himself up there while the other laid siege to it. It went on for quite a while because there were secret passages from the castle etc.. and now I come to the thing I wanted to tell.. maybe it is a legend, Im not sure, but the legend goes that the folks in the castle used gunpowder to create a huge bang, the first time gunpowder was used in a battle, and it was so loud that it scared the other army off. Hmm, maybe I should rewrite that and build up more suspense, but yep, military history took place there.(on the other side of the lake is Switzerland and the alps in the background).

on Jul 04, 2009

Thanks for the story.  Seems like every region has some interesting tidbits.  I love to hear these old stories.  One of my favorites is about Frederick the Great who intertained Napoleon who was on his way to Russia and was recruiting more troops.  He wanted Fredrick to cough up some help.  I don't remember if he got his troops or not, but upon leaving Fred he commented to his aide-de-camp that he wouldn't have believed human flesh could contain so much fat. Heheheee.  Well, we seem to have blown this thread out of the water so I guess I will scribble a line or two about the Black Forest.  See ya later.

on Jan 05, 2010

Everybody is going with the same slow speed (an average of 70mph is slow compared to here),

I had to laugh at this.  You are right Utemia, but it still sounds funny to this slowpoke American.

Do US underage drinking laws apply ..

No, the laws of the land (where you are at) does.  On post you are restricted to US laws, but off post, you are subject to the local laws.  But the funny thing is, until recently, AMERICA did not have drinking laws.  Each state did.  I think that changed around 1980 or so, but before then there was military regulations, but no american laws governing alchohol.

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